Who cares about patients’ rights? By Dr. Dante A. Ang
Who cares about patients’ rights?
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
By Dr. Dante A. Ang
I, too, embrace the proposition that the government should spare the innocent and punish the guilty in the nursing exam scandal. Yet the same “innocent” whose interests we are trying to protect have been prejudiced and put under a cloud the moment the Professional Regulatory Commission (PRC) recomputed and deflated the passing average in the June 2006 board exam for registered nurses.
By invalidating 20 out of 100 questions in Test 3 and lowering the weight from 20 to 10 percent (some statisticians say 2 percent, not 10 percent, as PRC claims) for Test 5, the PRC thoughtlessly punished the innocent, not just the guilty, by consigning especially those who might have excelled to the level of mediocrity.
The PRC’s response to the leakage made no distinction between the angel and the devil. Instead of identifying the guilty parties, the PRC resorted to a dubious “statistical” solution that spared the dishonest candidates and smeared the innocent, putting the honesty and competence of the June 2006 batch under suspicion.
Starving the victim
I find it incongruous why the PRC and the Board of Nursing (BON), in their effort to prevent the cheaters from benefiting from the scandal, practically punished the innocent by depressing their averages. Taken another way, it was a case of denying the thief the enjoyment of his loot while making the victim starve.
And if that is not enough, the PRC and the BON—out of the goodness of their hearts, or perhaps more out of incompetence—gave a 2-percent bonus to the examinees, to compensate for (according to their claim) the invalidation of some questions and the lowering of the weight, thus increasing the number of board passers by 499. And the public and the honest nurses are supposed to be grateful? I hope the PRC and BON realize that their act of charity can only populate our hospitals with incompetents who could endanger the lives of the patients. God forbid!
Consider: manuscripts of the two members of the Board of Nursing found their way to the Gapuz and Inress review centers. Then the board scrambled to plug the leak by coming up with a series of statistical mumbo-jumbo that punished the innocent by lowering their passing averages, deflating their level of competence, lowering the trust of hospitals and patients in nurses and jeopardizing their employability here and abroad, and eroding the integrity of our regulatory and licensing system.
Now the PRC and BON would want us to take their word that the leakage did not affect the integrity of the exam and did not malign the examinees, and asked the public not to punish the innocent by asking them to retake Tests 3 and 5. What gall!
I must hasten to add, however, that Dr. Vilma Ibe, the statistician reportedly hired by the PRC to straighten out the mess, is a highly respected professional. That the result of the tests became totally unreliable was due in large part to the withholding of some very vital information from her by the commission and the board.
Rationalizing illegality
There is something perverse in the way PRC and BON are trying to justify their questionable act. They are employing convoluted and incredulous arguments to rationalize their immoral and illegal actions.
By law, the PRC and BON are not allowed to recompute and deflate the assigned weights that have the effect of lowering the passing average. The Nursing Act of 2001 states that the passing average for nursing is 75 percent, provided no grade is below 60 percent in any subject. Very clearly, the law does not provide for any kind or form of intervention in the computation or recomputation of the test score. The law is very clear on this point; it does not provide for discretion.
The PRC, BON and some “successful” examinees insist that the June 2006 batch was not stigmatized and their employability not jeopardized by the decision taken by the commission. The press statement of one or two US-based recruiters that the candidates will all be hired does not erase the stigma. The truth is that some local hospitals have already rejected a number of job applications and continue to view the June 2006 group with suspicion.
Double talk
On the other hand, the PRC presented an American recruiter, with the aid of a Filipina partner, who proclaimed that he would be hiring all 17,000 board passers. In the next breath, he qualified his statement: “provided they pass the NCLEX exam and the hospital interview.” In another report (I’m not sure if this is the same American recruiter), the American and a certain Ms. Nevea of GSN recruitment firm announced that they are hiring 1,000 nurses, provided they pass the NCLEX exam!
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
That was plain and simple double talk. I would be wary of this American recruiter and his Filipina partner. I hope our nurses do not fall for this cheap talk. In the first place, the American and the Filipina described are plain recruiters. They have no power, no authority, to hire Filipino nurses for employment in the United States. It is the hospital management that will make a decision whether or not to hire the nurse-applicant but only after he or she passes the NCLEX exam and after a stringent personal interview, not before.
The American and his Filipino wife are taking advantage of the plight of our nurses. They are trying to take advantage of the mess, hoping to ease out their business competition. Recruiters, by the way, are paid $100 for each referral and $7,000 to $10,000 for each nurse recruited by a US hospital.
The couple want us to believe that their hearts are bleeding for our nurses, except that they are crying all the way to the bank. Very clearly, the couple are foisting a grand scheme to corner the market. Why are the PRC and BON allowing this? Who in the commission and the board invited the American recruiter to speak before the June 2006 batch at the PRC auditorium? Why?
Dubious clean bill of health
The PRC and BON must be sanctioned for encouraging a charade aimed at hoodwinking the nurses into believing that they carry a clean bill of health despite the anomaly that PRC and BON have created and that jobs await them, including those who are not certifiably competent, in the United States.
The Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) bans advertisements that publicize nonexistent jobs and jobs that are not authenticated by it. In the case of the American recruiter, they did one better: they said the nurses are hired! Is their announcement on television that they are hiring all the 17,000 nurses not a violation of the POEA rules since they knew full well that they cannot hire Filipino nurses? The other night, they repeated that they are hiring 1,000 nurses but were quick to add, “provided the nurses pass the NCLEX.”
Unfortunately, when people heard this American recruiter say that he was hiring the 17,000 or the 1,000 nurses, many Filipinos concluded that the nurses are already employed and, therefore, we should allow them to take their oaths so as not to prejudice their interests.
Pity the unsuspecting nurses. They are being prepared for the kill. I would not be surprised that many of the 17,000 have signed up with the American recruiter and his wife after hearing that they were “hired.”
Of course, there’s a sucker born every minute. But must we be so gullible as to fall for the oldest trick in the book?
Throw these opportunists out. For good.
Go after the fraudsters
For the record, nobody wants to punish the innocent. I agree with the June 2006 batch that we should go after the fraudsters and spare the innocent. I sincerely hope that those who did not cheat could land a job in the Philippines and overseas. Unfortunately, that is not the situation on the ground. Some local hospitals have begun to reject some members of the June 2006 batch purely on suspicion that everybody cheated.
Also, I cannot accept the convoluted argument of the PRC and BON that we should put the latest board scandal to rest since there are other ways of determining the competence of our nurses, like school records and clinical experience.
To add insult to injury, the PRC and BON would want us to leave the issue of competence to the United States National Counsel for State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN), which administers the US National Commission for Licensure Examination (NCLEX).
May I remind the PRC that its main responsibility is to set a national standard for all professionals through credible board exams? Like the Central Bank, the commission is a repository of excellence, and of trust and confidence in our system and our corps of professionals. To say, therefore, that the hospitals or the employers have their own set of standards to determine the employability of our nurses is to admit that the PRC is inutile, irrelevant and useless.
Following its own logic, perhaps we should abolish the PRC since it has become superfluous, an unnecessary burden on the careers of the professionals and a wasteful layer of bureaucracy.
Retake Tests 3 and 5
The issue is not only about sparing the innocent or punishing the guilty or upholding the rights of the nurses. It has more to do with level of competence and the degree of trust and confidence in the nurse by the patient and the hospital administration. Therefore, the issue of protecting one’s interest is not exclusive to the nurse. It is conflated with the interest of the patient who deserves the best health care possible the hospital and the nurse can provide. Competence and integrity should take precedence over expediency. In the end the interest of the patient and of the public is supreme.
Let’s cut this crap and do the correct thing: Uphold the integrity of our nurses, the nursing profession, the public health-care system and the government system of examination and regulation. Retake Tests 3 and 5.
FROM : http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
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(The author is chairman of the Commission on Filipinos Overseas
with Cabinet rank. He is also head of the Presidential Task Force on NCLEX.)
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
By Dr. Dante A. Ang
I, too, embrace the proposition that the government should spare the innocent and punish the guilty in the nursing exam scandal. Yet the same “innocent” whose interests we are trying to protect have been prejudiced and put under a cloud the moment the Professional Regulatory Commission (PRC) recomputed and deflated the passing average in the June 2006 board exam for registered nurses.
By invalidating 20 out of 100 questions in Test 3 and lowering the weight from 20 to 10 percent (some statisticians say 2 percent, not 10 percent, as PRC claims) for Test 5, the PRC thoughtlessly punished the innocent, not just the guilty, by consigning especially those who might have excelled to the level of mediocrity.
The PRC’s response to the leakage made no distinction between the angel and the devil. Instead of identifying the guilty parties, the PRC resorted to a dubious “statistical” solution that spared the dishonest candidates and smeared the innocent, putting the honesty and competence of the June 2006 batch under suspicion.
Starving the victim
I find it incongruous why the PRC and the Board of Nursing (BON), in their effort to prevent the cheaters from benefiting from the scandal, practically punished the innocent by depressing their averages. Taken another way, it was a case of denying the thief the enjoyment of his loot while making the victim starve.
And if that is not enough, the PRC and the BON—out of the goodness of their hearts, or perhaps more out of incompetence—gave a 2-percent bonus to the examinees, to compensate for (according to their claim) the invalidation of some questions and the lowering of the weight, thus increasing the number of board passers by 499. And the public and the honest nurses are supposed to be grateful? I hope the PRC and BON realize that their act of charity can only populate our hospitals with incompetents who could endanger the lives of the patients. God forbid!
Consider: manuscripts of the two members of the Board of Nursing found their way to the Gapuz and Inress review centers. Then the board scrambled to plug the leak by coming up with a series of statistical mumbo-jumbo that punished the innocent by lowering their passing averages, deflating their level of competence, lowering the trust of hospitals and patients in nurses and jeopardizing their employability here and abroad, and eroding the integrity of our regulatory and licensing system.
Now the PRC and BON would want us to take their word that the leakage did not affect the integrity of the exam and did not malign the examinees, and asked the public not to punish the innocent by asking them to retake Tests 3 and 5. What gall!
I must hasten to add, however, that Dr. Vilma Ibe, the statistician reportedly hired by the PRC to straighten out the mess, is a highly respected professional. That the result of the tests became totally unreliable was due in large part to the withholding of some very vital information from her by the commission and the board.
Rationalizing illegality
There is something perverse in the way PRC and BON are trying to justify their questionable act. They are employing convoluted and incredulous arguments to rationalize their immoral and illegal actions.
By law, the PRC and BON are not allowed to recompute and deflate the assigned weights that have the effect of lowering the passing average. The Nursing Act of 2001 states that the passing average for nursing is 75 percent, provided no grade is below 60 percent in any subject. Very clearly, the law does not provide for any kind or form of intervention in the computation or recomputation of the test score. The law is very clear on this point; it does not provide for discretion.
The PRC, BON and some “successful” examinees insist that the June 2006 batch was not stigmatized and their employability not jeopardized by the decision taken by the commission. The press statement of one or two US-based recruiters that the candidates will all be hired does not erase the stigma. The truth is that some local hospitals have already rejected a number of job applications and continue to view the June 2006 group with suspicion.
Double talk
On the other hand, the PRC presented an American recruiter, with the aid of a Filipina partner, who proclaimed that he would be hiring all 17,000 board passers. In the next breath, he qualified his statement: “provided they pass the NCLEX exam and the hospital interview.” In another report (I’m not sure if this is the same American recruiter), the American and a certain Ms. Nevea of GSN recruitment firm announced that they are hiring 1,000 nurses, provided they pass the NCLEX exam!
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
That was plain and simple double talk. I would be wary of this American recruiter and his Filipina partner. I hope our nurses do not fall for this cheap talk. In the first place, the American and the Filipina described are plain recruiters. They have no power, no authority, to hire Filipino nurses for employment in the United States. It is the hospital management that will make a decision whether or not to hire the nurse-applicant but only after he or she passes the NCLEX exam and after a stringent personal interview, not before.
The American and his Filipino wife are taking advantage of the plight of our nurses. They are trying to take advantage of the mess, hoping to ease out their business competition. Recruiters, by the way, are paid $100 for each referral and $7,000 to $10,000 for each nurse recruited by a US hospital.
The couple want us to believe that their hearts are bleeding for our nurses, except that they are crying all the way to the bank. Very clearly, the couple are foisting a grand scheme to corner the market. Why are the PRC and BON allowing this? Who in the commission and the board invited the American recruiter to speak before the June 2006 batch at the PRC auditorium? Why?
Dubious clean bill of health
The PRC and BON must be sanctioned for encouraging a charade aimed at hoodwinking the nurses into believing that they carry a clean bill of health despite the anomaly that PRC and BON have created and that jobs await them, including those who are not certifiably competent, in the United States.
The Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) bans advertisements that publicize nonexistent jobs and jobs that are not authenticated by it. In the case of the American recruiter, they did one better: they said the nurses are hired! Is their announcement on television that they are hiring all the 17,000 nurses not a violation of the POEA rules since they knew full well that they cannot hire Filipino nurses? The other night, they repeated that they are hiring 1,000 nurses but were quick to add, “provided the nurses pass the NCLEX.”
Unfortunately, when people heard this American recruiter say that he was hiring the 17,000 or the 1,000 nurses, many Filipinos concluded that the nurses are already employed and, therefore, we should allow them to take their oaths so as not to prejudice their interests.
Pity the unsuspecting nurses. They are being prepared for the kill. I would not be surprised that many of the 17,000 have signed up with the American recruiter and his wife after hearing that they were “hired.”
Of course, there’s a sucker born every minute. But must we be so gullible as to fall for the oldest trick in the book?
Throw these opportunists out. For good.
Go after the fraudsters
For the record, nobody wants to punish the innocent. I agree with the June 2006 batch that we should go after the fraudsters and spare the innocent. I sincerely hope that those who did not cheat could land a job in the Philippines and overseas. Unfortunately, that is not the situation on the ground. Some local hospitals have begun to reject some members of the June 2006 batch purely on suspicion that everybody cheated.
Also, I cannot accept the convoluted argument of the PRC and BON that we should put the latest board scandal to rest since there are other ways of determining the competence of our nurses, like school records and clinical experience.
To add insult to injury, the PRC and BON would want us to leave the issue of competence to the United States National Counsel for State Boards of Nursing (NCSBN), which administers the US National Commission for Licensure Examination (NCLEX).
May I remind the PRC that its main responsibility is to set a national standard for all professionals through credible board exams? Like the Central Bank, the commission is a repository of excellence, and of trust and confidence in our system and our corps of professionals. To say, therefore, that the hospitals or the employers have their own set of standards to determine the employability of our nurses is to admit that the PRC is inutile, irrelevant and useless.
Following its own logic, perhaps we should abolish the PRC since it has become superfluous, an unnecessary burden on the careers of the professionals and a wasteful layer of bureaucracy.
Retake Tests 3 and 5
The issue is not only about sparing the innocent or punishing the guilty or upholding the rights of the nurses. It has more to do with level of competence and the degree of trust and confidence in the nurse by the patient and the hospital administration. Therefore, the issue of protecting one’s interest is not exclusive to the nurse. It is conflated with the interest of the patient who deserves the best health care possible the hospital and the nurse can provide. Competence and integrity should take precedence over expediency. In the end the interest of the patient and of the public is supreme.
Let’s cut this crap and do the correct thing: Uphold the integrity of our nurses, the nursing profession, the public health-care system and the government system of examination and regulation. Retake Tests 3 and 5.
FROM : http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/sept/05/yehey/top_stories/20060905top3.html
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(The author is chairman of the Commission on Filipinos Overseas
with Cabinet rank. He is also head of the Presidential Task Force on NCLEX.)
MAGALING KA MANIRA PERO BOBO KA PA RIN, HINDI MO KAYANG IPANALO ANG KASO MO LALU NA KUNG PANINIRA ANG PANLABAN MO. BOBO! MAG RESEARCH KA NGA NG FACTS PARA HINDI PURO OPINION ANG PANG LABAN MO. BOBO!
Posted by
Anonymous |
3:43 AM
(The issue is not only about sparing the innocent or punishing the guilty or upholding the rights of the nurses.)
REACTION:
SINO BA NAMAN ANG MANINIWALA SA TAONG HINDI BINIBIGYAN NG IMPORTANSYA ANG KARAPATAN.
Posted by
Anonymous |
3:56 AM
very well sed sir! i salute u. ey, ung mga pumasa, dba sabi nyo magreretake kayo kung ndi kasama ung bumagsak. chance nyo na yan para iprove na pumasa tlga kayo. ang talo lang d2 ung mga ndi tlga deserving na pumasa. and kung pumasa kayo ulit, nasa history na kayo. dalawang beses nagtake ng nursing licensure exam, pumasa. galingan nyo nalang
Posted by
Anonymous |
4:21 AM
SINONG TANGANG NAGBIGAY SA KANYA (DANTE ANG) NG IMPRESSION NA PUWEDE KANG MAGTRABAHO WITHOUT NCLEX. OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO PASS THE NCLEX!!!
IT'S NOT DOUBLE-TALK, THAT'S THE PLAIN TRUTH. NO NCLEX, NO US WORK.
Posted by
Anonymous |
4:23 AM
Una, ang hindi ko maintindihan sa inyo ay bakit pinagpipilitan nyong isama sa retake ang test 3 gayong 80 out of 100 questions ay walang leakage. Yang 80 na yan ay mas marami pa sa questions na pag nasagot ay pasado na sa NCLEX--ang basis ng hiring ng foreign nurses (Indonesians, Thais, Filipinos, etc.) sa US.
Pangalawa, sinabi ba sa LAW kung ilan ang test questions? Kung tinira yung test questions na 10 sa test 5, illegal ba yon? Sa 2003 bar exams, totally excluded ang Mercantile Law, pero di nyo sinabi na illegal yun. Pero hindi pa too late, you can still say so--so do you say so, can you say so?
Pangatlo, many examinees take the nursing exam because it's there, just like Mt. Everest. Sinasabi nyo na certain level of competence ang kailangan, eh sinabi na nga sa inyo na sa US kahit walang PRC exam, basta pasado sa NCLEX, sa 60 out of 75 questions (15 questions are non-graded and are just conditioner or "appetizer"), ay considered nila na puede ng i-hire ng several states sa kanila tulad ng California! (For your info, what I mean is not to abolish the PRC exam but to consider that less than 500 questions, or 390 questions, should be enough to serve the purpose of the examination under certain cases. Of course, those with CLERK mentality will stick to their ROUTINE and cannot understand why we have to deviate from rules, like what the Supreme Court did in the 2003 bar exam, as warranted.) Eh yun pang pumasa sa 390 questions na leakge-free!!! Kung wala yung 390 questions ay tama kayo, eh nandiyan yan, bakit hindi nyo ma-get ang significance nito???
At yung sinasabi mong na punished dahil downgraded yung test 5 at doon sila mataas, eh bakit hindi ka nag-appeal sa Supreme court hanggang sa International Court of Justice dahil nga excluded ang Mercantile Law sa 2003 bar exams. Puedeng may mataas ang grade doon at kung considered iyon ay ang average nila ay maging passing. But that was disregarded because that represented an exceptional case and we should not make rules on the basis of exception. And what the Supreme Court does has either binding or persuasive effect, espcially if you consider that if the nursing scandal reaches the Supreme court, it is the one that will finally decide the matter--and I suppose it will take a look at what it did in the past, in the 2003 bar exams, and you know what I mean.
MT
9-5-06
Posted by
Anonymous |
6:02 AM
i won't be surprised if dr. ang will be running for a public office in our next national elections.. libre na ang media exposure nya since the issue came-out.. maybe sobrang linis nya kaya he's making that stand.. wla syang record of being corrupt kaya magaling syang magsalita na tayong mga nurses lalo na ung mga pumasa ay "tainted & stigmatized".. yes dr. ang, we are tainted & stigmatized coz there are people like you who are relentless on punishing us.. bakit? may ginawa ba kaming masama sa yo? di ba your position (cabinet member category) supposedly banners our interests? you said that you are protecting the rights of the patients.. nakita mo ba kami sa panahon ng aming mga RLEs? kasama ka ba namin nung panahon na wala kaming maibayad sa tuition fees namin at kailangan naming mangutang? nasa tabi ka ba namin habang ginagawa naming araw ang mga gabi? pinagtanggol mo ba kami habang nilalait kami ng ma terror na CIs kahit sa konting pagkakamali? Tigilan mo na kami Dr. Ang... please.. iba na lang ang gawin mong tuntungan para umangat ka.. bakit di mo tugisin yung mga may kagagawan ng leakage kaysa salita ka ng salita?? bakit di mo pakialaman yung sistema ng PRC na simula sa umpisa eh palpak na?? maawa ka naman... madaming umaasa sa amin..
(this comment also goes for the respected deans of UST, PNA-CAR & UP)
(to the PRC & BON: overhaul your system... it stinks?)
Posted by
Anonymous |
6:48 AM
Mr. Ang ikaw kaya ang magtake ng nursing exam? pag pumasa ka maniniwala kami sayo HAHAHA!!!Sopas na lang na may ipis ipapakain sayo pag di mo pinagbutihan trabaho mo. Pakialaman mo yung dapat mong asikasuhin....TSK TSK! Sayang nga naman ang kikitain mo sa NCLEX na sa kasamaang palad ay hindi matutuloy dito sa P'nas. Mayaman ka na kaya hayaan mo naman iba na makapagtrabaho ng marangal sa pinaghirapan nilang kurso. Matanda ka na....hayaan mo ang mga bata na magkaroon ng magandang kinabukasan.Tigilan mo na ang paninira sa ibang tao. Kunsabagay di ka naman pinoy kaya balewala sayo ang mga pilipino. Magaling ka kase eh! Kaya lahat alam mo.
Posted by
Anonymous |
7:52 AM
Dr. Ang should first state what board exam he passed. If he did not pass any, he is not an equal of the 2006 passers, and he has no right to judge them harshly.
I've been to graduate school and to board exam, and the two are different. Taking up a graduate course is certainly difficult and exacting on one's time, but the pressure and the uncertainty and the torture in a board exam is much more. Only those who took difficult board exams know that--and certainly no one among them will want to undergo the same ordeal.
It takes those who have suffered to understand and be kind to the suffering. If Dr. Ang has not undergone the hardships of a board exam passer, he can append many more highly advanced degrees--fancy or otherwise--to his name but he will still not be qualified to really judge them.
The Supreme Court Justices passed bar exams, so they understood the plight of 2003 bar exam passers--so they did a recomputation of grades which Dr. Ang calls statistical mumbo-jumbo. But who is he against Supreme Court Justices?
Posted by
Anonymous |
8:28 AM
Mr. Ang, buti ka pa ang iniisip mo puro guniguni ng stigma na kung baka ano ang sasabihin sa mga Nursing na puro haka-haka ninyo, at kung ano ano pang illusion at puro perception.
Mr. Ang,mamatay na kami sa gutom... ang iniisip namin ang tiyan na namin na hindi ninyo kayang lagyan ng laman. Sinusugod na rin kami ng aming pinagkakautangan...Pahiramin na lang ninyo kami ng pera ninyo total marami ka naman niyan kaya ninyo inaabala kami.
At saka napaka-one sided ninyo at hindi man lang ninyo iniisip ang kalagayan namin na mga bagong nurse na nahihirapan na dahil sa puro kayo haka-haka, guni-guni at at puro isip lang ng mga walang ka-kwenta-kwentang bagay na nakaka-perwisyo sa amin....
Posted by
Anonymous |
8:56 AM
MR. Ang Doktor po ba kayo?????
kasi ang ibig sabihin ng Doctor e, dalubhasa ???
Baka Doktor of illusion, perception,tili-ling at kung ano ano pa ang pagka-doctor ninyo kasi parang wala naman kayong nagagawang solution???
Actually Mr. Ang ang isang dalubhasa knows how to deal with the situation di ba?
You must understand both parties, and find solution for both party involved. Kailangan, you must know how to balanced the weight instead of putting the weight in one side of the ship. (as for example )kasi kung doon lang sa isang lugar ang weight natural lulubog ang barko di ba?
Baka naman nagpapa-pogi ka lang at iyon naman iba nagpapa-Byawty (Beauty) lang kayo para libgre sa publicity for incoming election. Remember "Don't kick and hurt the other side in favor of another side" pareho ka lang mawawalan dito...
Posted by
Anonymous |
9:08 AM
SUS NAMAN KASI DANTE ANG---TUMIGILA KA NA,HULOG KA NA NAMIN SA INODORO PARA MAIFLUSH KANA KASAMA MGA KAPWA IPIS MO HA....HINDI KA NA CUTE !!!PAPANSIN KA NA HA..AT WAG MO INTAYIN MGA PASSERS NG JUNE06 NLE ANG BUMANAT SA YO BAKA KUNG SAN KA PULUTIN...ANG TULUNGAN MO NA LANG YUNG MGA TAGA UST NA TANGGAPIN NILA PAGKATALO NILA AT TURUAN MO RIN SI TADLE O KAYA MAG ENROLL NA LANG KAYO SA NURSING PARA MAINTINDIHAN NYO..OK?
Posted by
Anonymous |
9:41 AM
Dante (estafador!), please review what you have written. You are contradicting your own arguments, you definitely have no idea of the facts involve & appears to be fighting for some hidden agenda.
Where the hell did you take up Logic 101? We definitely need to close down that school wherever it was.
What country are you protecting? Definitely not the Philippines!
Pity on you, for I'd rather be poor but wise rather than be rich & foolish!
Posted by
Anonymous |
10:53 AM
i salute u Dr. Ang. Yung nagcoment d2 na nakapasa "daw" ay mdyo bastos na magsalita. Papano kya sila naging nurses kung ganito ang mga ugali ng mga ito?
2nd, PRC lang ang nagsabi na tinanggal nila ang me leaked questions, how true is it? Pabago bago sila ng statement simula nung nag umpisa ang controversy, so papano mo ba mapapaniwalaan ang iba pa nilang sinasabi?
Papano nila mapapatunayan na ganun nga ang ginawa nila sa mga nagleaked na questions? Puro lang naman salita pero walang pinapakita...
Posted by
Anonymous |
11:29 AM
mr ang, if i were you....i'd keep my mouth shut. one piece of advice lng po.....sa bawat pagbuka mo ng iyong bibig, katumbas nito'y kahihiyan para sa iyong sarili...you contradict your own arguments.
Posted by
Anonymous |
12:24 PM
Para sa nag post ng "I salute you Dr Ang" - yung sinasaluduhan mo ang mas bastos dahil hindi na nya inisip ang karapatan ng inosenteng examinees
Pangalawa, hindi naman namin ipinagtatanggol ang PRC, BON, etc. ang sinasabi namin ay huwag ninyong apakan ang karapatan ng mga pumasa sa board. Kung mag-aaway kayong mga matataas (isama mo na ang nakikisawsaw na MEDIA)eh wag ninyo kaming idamay, Kami ang naiipit at nagdurusa hindi naman kayo. Para naman sa nag-post kanina na "I salute Dr Ang" eh magisipisip ka naman para gumana at magamit mo ang utak mo, baka may kalawang na.
Posted by
Anonymous |
12:50 PM
MAY LEAKAGE SI DR. DANTE A. ANG .........................................................................................................................................SA UTAK!
Posted by
Anonymous |
12:55 PM
FOTAAAAAAAAAHHHH.... habang nagsasalita ka DANTE ANG_ENGOT... mas lalong nalalaman ng taong bayan kung gano ka kawalang kwentang nilalang... WE DON'T NEED YOUR UNSOLICITED ADVICE! (s ba o c?, wotever!) NI HINDI KA NGA BINIGYAN NG KARAPATAN PARA MAGDESISYON ABOUT RETAKE OR NOT... HIHIRIT KA PA! PUNYETERSSSSSS!
Posted by
Anonymous |
12:56 PM
MAY LEAKAGE SI DR. DANTE A. ANG ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... SA UTAK!
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Anonymous |
12:58 PM
MAY LEAKAGE SI DR. DANTE A. ANG ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... ..... SA UTAK!
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Anonymous |
12:59 PM
Mr. Dante Ang, nagawa mo na ba ang trabaho mo? May mga OFW's tayong hindi sumusweldo, nagtatrabaho ng sobra sa oras, ni-raped, etc.--ano na ang nagawa mo para sa kanila?
Mas urgent yan, kilos ka na!!!
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Anonymous |
1:11 PM
Mga COMMENTATORS, kaunting pino po naman tayo ng salita para hindi masabi na wala tayong galang sa kapwa. Alam ko, galit kayo, pero let us fight fair and square in the battlefield of ideas--victory is sweeter that way.
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Anonymous |
1:16 PM
salahula ka ba????
bakit kaya hindi ikaw ang mag exam
tang na mo ah
puro ka paninira
siguro may balak kang tumakbong presidente
pero ngaun pa lang sasabihn ko sayo
talo ka na GAGO KA!!!
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Anonymous |
3:52 PM
naprove lang ni dante ang na mga passer ndi tlga deserving pumasa. ano ba kayo!!! nurse na nga kayo, tapos ndi pa kayo marunong makinig at umintindi. kawawa pasyente nyo! hahaha. thank u sir at naprove mo na alang kwenta ang mga nagpost d2 na pumasa.
btw, natatawa ako sa mga nakita ko nung nagsalita ung recruiter na kukunin sila ng us. hahaha. palakpakan pa kayo. ndi nyo ba alam ung kaso ngayon ng ercruiter. sumasawsaw sila ngayon kasi alam nila na mga tanga ang pumasa ngayong board exam. kung bago, inuuto lang kayo. and kayo naman nagsipalakpakan pa. hahaha.
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Anonymous |
8:34 PM
Ok lang, ayaw mo maniwala, iwan ka Pinas--siguro mandatory retake ka dahil hindi ka passer. Kami sunod na sa kamag-anak namin na nurses sa US. Sila, success story talaga, pero nagtiis sa simula.
Pasado sila sa NCLEX na kaunti lang ang questions. Dahil tinanggap sila kahit kulang ng experience, assigned muna sila sa small hospitals at nursing homes sa US. But afer two years na fully served ang original contract nila, with their US experience, nakalipat sila sa big hospitals at higher pay. Awa ng Dios, hindi nga sila New York kaagad, pero theirs is not a sob story. May bahay, kotse, etc. na sila.
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Anonymous |
9:20 PM
I think its about time that u reflect why these things happening to nursing profession. WEll i guess most of the nurses or those who took up nursing, the primary reason for taking that course is for greener pasture, to work abroad, to get all the materials things they want when in fact nursing is a noble profession its all about SERVICE! but its sad reality that nurses nowadays tend to forget that being a nurse is a good chance to serve sick people and when u r serving them you are serving also God. Stop thinking about material things. It will come later on when u work hard and u love ur job as a nurse. Its a wake up call for all of you nurses. Pray to God and be humble. Remember "God has made everything for His own purposes" Proverb 16:4.
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Anonymous |
10:28 PM
PARA SA NAG POST DITO LAST 10:28 PM.
ALAM NATIN NA NAG ARAL NG NURSING ANG KARAMIHAN SA ATIN, ISA NA AKO DOON. SANA NAMAN PO AY MAINTINDIHAN NIYO KUNG BAKIT KAMI NAGAGALIT AT NASASABI NAMIN ANG MASASAMANG MGA SALITA. PINILI PO NAMIN ANG PROPESYONG ITO DAHIL ALAM PO NAMIN NA MALAKI ANG KITA DITO AND AT THE SAME TIME AY MAY NAITUTULONG KAMI SA KAPWA. SABIHIN NA NATING PINILI KO PROPESYONG ITO PARA KUMITA, MAY MASAMA BA? MAY GINAWA BA KAMING MASAMA? MAY NASAGASAAN BA KAMI? BINIGYAN NINYO BA KAMI NG PAMPAARAL? NATUTULUNGAN NINYO BA KAMI SA KAHIRAPAN NAMIN SA BUHAY? NATUTULUNGAN DIN BA KAMI NG GOBYERNO? SINO PO KAYO PARA HUSGAHAN ANG AMING MGA PANGARAP NA MAI-AHON SA KAHIRAPAN ANG AMING MGA PAMILYA? SINO PO KAYO PARA ALISAN KAMING MGA INOSENTENG BOARD PASSERS NG KARAPATAN? IISA LANG ANG DIYOS KO AT ANG DIYOS NA SINASABI MO KAYA BAKIT HINDI MO KAMI INTINDIHIN? GOD BLESS YOU!
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Anonymous |
10:58 PM
tama ka 10:28 na poster. ang pinagkaiba ng nursing dati sa ngayon ay ngayon halos lahat ng kumukuha ng nursing ay mukhang pera na. cguro ndi sila gagalaw kung walang perang involve. alam nyo, sana magreflect kayo minsan.. nursing ay ndi pera... cguro bonus nalang yung pera. pero yung pagalaga at pagtulong nyo sa kapya, yun ang pinakaimportante. tingin ko ndi naman magkakaganito ang profession natin lalo na yung results ng exam natin kung walang perang involve. nakikita ko kasi sa inyo, reason nyo palagi pera pera pera... na ndi naman dapat ganun. wala man lang ako nakitang nagsabi na ibigay nyo na ang license namin. gusto ko na tumulong. wala tlga...
wag kayo maniwala ngayon kay dante ang, pero pagnasa states na kayo at under kayo ng recruitment agency.. sasabihin nyo, tama pala si dante ang. yan problema sa pinoy, kailangan natin muna maexperience bago madala.
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Anonymous |
5:20 AM
para sa 5:20 poster:
pakisabi po yan sa mga batches ahead of us, sa mga nasa abroad na. pakisabi po sa kanila na umuwi na sila at manilbihan dito sa pinas total bunos lang naman pala ang usaping pera. hindi po kaming batch 2006 ang nag-umpisa niyan.
pakisabi rin sa ating gobyerno na huwag nang ipadala sa abroad ang mga nurses na pinoy kasi hindi naman pala usapin ang kikitain nila kundi bunos na lang kung may matatanggap sila.
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Anonymous |
5:40 AM
AT PAKISABI RIN KINA DANTE ANG, TADLE, MGA MAYAYABANG NA DEANS, AT IBA PA, PAG PINILIT KAMI NG RETAKE, BALANG ARAW HUWAG SILANG MAGKAKASAKIT, HUWAG SILANG MAGPAPA-OSPITAL. LINTIK LANG ANG WALANG GANTI.
PATUTUNAYAN NAMIN NA TAMA SILA, NA KAMI'Y INCOMPETENT. PAGKUHA NAMIN NG BLOOD SAMPLE AT PAGSAKSAK NG DEXTROSE, MAA-ARARO MUNA NG KARAYOM ANG KATAWAN NILA BAGO NAMIN MASAKSAK NG TAMA. AT SAMPLE LANG YAN, HE, HE, HE....
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Anonymous |
7:04 AM
si dante ang ay isang halimbawa ng taong walang ibang gawin kundi magmarunong..... dante ang mag aral ka ng nursing at pupusta ako babagsak ka sa lahat ng exam...... ikaw ang incompetent.... hinde ang board na ito ang basis of competency.... experience po..... BOBO KA TALAGA
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Anonymous |
10:00 AM
DANTE ANG BAYARAN NYO KAME SA LAHAT NG NG GINASTOS NAMIN SA PAGREREVIEW AT PAGHIHINTAY THEN SAKA KAMI MAGRERETAKE.. BOBO....
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Anonymous |
10:02 AM
Ang yabang naman ng mga nagsasalita tungkol sa nurses na nag aral lang para sa pera. Ako nag nursing talaga para kumita pero excuse me baka mas magaling pa akong nurse sa inyo iha at iho. Maraming rason kung bakit nag nunursing mga tao ngyon, una ay para makatulong sa pamilya. At wag nyo kami pag lolokohin na yung mga bata ngyon ay service lang iniisip. wag kayong plastic baka tamaan kayo ng kidlat. Yung mga nag nursing dahil gusto magkaroon ng maginhawang buhay ay mas magaling pa alam mo kung bakit? kasi alam namin we need to compete with everyone at ang labas magagaling kami na nurse, ayaw namin patalo sa mga inggeterang nurse dyan. At hindi rin ibig sabihin eh gusto naman magkaroon ng maginhawang buhay ay wala na kami pake sa patients. Wag na kayo makialam kung ano dahilan ng pagiging nurse, basta galingan mo, maging mahusay ka na nurse. Dahil wala kayo karapatan mag salita, mga bata pa kasi kayo, madali maging idealistic, hindi mo pa nararanasan magpa lamon ng marami.
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Anonymous |
1:39 PM
yung gusto ng retake, mag-retake, walang pumipigil sa inyo.
yung ayaw, huwag nyong pilitin. kung hindi sila tanggapin sa hospital ng makikitid ang utak, bahala na silang gumawa ng paraan....
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Anonymous |
2:02 PM
to 1:39
you call urself a professional? To be a good nurse u have to posess the knowledge, skills and ATTITUDE. So supporting ur family is like "magpalamon ng marami"?? is that the term u wana use for ur own family?
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Anonymous |
4:48 PM
pwede bang mga pumasa, balikan nyo ang fundamentals ng nursing. mukhang ndi nyo yata nabasa kung ano ang nursing. and yung nagsabi naman na pera tlga habol ngayon.. para sa akin ndi ko habol ang pera. cguro more on service ako sa pasyente ko. ibig sabihin pala yung mga pumasa ngayon gusto sa states pumunta? hahaha. so wag nyo na paglaban yung oathtaking nyo. states din pala punta nyo. dont tell me gusto nyo ng license para mapagmayabang lang?! kawawa kayo.
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Anonymous |
1:12 AM
para sa nagpost last 5:20 na nagsabing pera lang ang habol ng nurse - bigay mo na lang sakin ang pera mo kasi hindi mo pala habol yon. call me and i'll give you my account # - eto cell # ko 09187645233 mag popost ulit ako dito pag hindi mo ako tinawagan dahil ibig sabihin mukhang pera ka din! (hindi ako nurse, gusto ko lang malaman kung mukhang pera ka din gaya ng ibinibintang mo sa mga nurse)
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Anonymous |
4:00 AM
This is in reply to Mr. Dante Ang’s masterpiece entitled “who cares about patients rights”. You can’t care for the patients right alone just by mere parroting your adverse views against the June board passers. Help the board passers look for employment and don’t call them cheaters, killer nurses and incompetent. You haven’t proven anything to justify your unjust comments recommending a sweeping punishment for the passers to retake the test.
In the first place, who are you, Mr. Ang? Are you a Filipino or Chinese? If there’s anyone most concern in preserving the integrity of the nursing profession are those who passed the June 2006 board exams, the most difficult and controversial exams in nursing history. Not those who failed, the undergraduates, those who are already employed and much more for those who are not nurses like you. It’s the new board passers because they need immediate employment. It could have been better if you sit together with the PRC and find a solution to the problem. We’re tempted to conclude that you have an ax to grind against PRC and BON because you’re questioning their decisions until now.
Instead of finding a peaceful solution to this scam, you go on air announcing and recommending a retake. Is this not a sweeping punishment to those who deserve to be praised and congratulated so that they can be hired immediately to ease the poverty we’re now suffering. It’s not PRC that is thoughtlessly punishing the innocent. It’s you and your co-horts hampering and maligning the future of the nurses. Retake is a living scar and symbol of controversy in our chosen career.
The credibility and integrity of the nursing profession has long been proven and strongly established. It’s not the nurses themselves staining the profession, it’s you and your co-horts perpetuating the alleged scandal clamouring for the postponement of oath taking to the extent of going to courts requesting for a TRO. Who are punished? The nurses whom Dante Ang is claiming to protect. Punish the real culprits and spare the innocent nurses. The credibility and integrity of Filipino nurses cannot be damaged by just an exam leaked by the crooks in and out of the government especially those who want to undermine the PRC and the nursing Profession.
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Anonymous |
8:51 AM
Dear Dr. Dante Ang:
If you care for patients, bakit hindi kayo nag-nurse na kailangang mag-alaga ng matiyaga at masipag sa kanila?
Please do not talk of patients' rights to the 17,000 passers because I suppose they know more about that matter than those who did not study nursing. They are STIGMATIZED because of what people who are not necessarily experts in decision-making are feeding media and the public. If all of you studied the matter first by--first and foremost--getting first the side of the passers, things might have been different. In all of the years that I worked, no matter how sure I felt about my findings, for as long as I have not talked to and asked the side of the persons involved, I could never be really sure that I am right. I have avoided embarrassments by confirming first my conclusions. In your case, you immediately aserted that even Test 3 should be retaken, yet 80 percent of it was not tainted by leakage. Moreover, by asking for retake, you categorically declared that 100% of the examinees are incompetent, including honor graduates of the country's top nursing schools! That is simply not correct, that is plain and simple punishing the innocent!
It seems you could not even cite the correct title of the Philippine Nursing Act of 2002--not 2001--let alone properly interpret it! While the law did specify 75% passing average, it is silent on the number of exam questions, on the subjects, and on the weight of each subject--because the law should be flexible enough to allow those administering it to address exigencies, as what the Supreme Court did in the 2003 bar exam scandal.
But if one is an expert technician, he can come up with statistics and not make proper use of them. With all due respect to Dr. Mila Ibe who said on TV that she did not exclude the 90 questions and merely downgraded test 5 because leaving just 10 subjects on Test 5 should not be done, it cannot be--she said that because she seems not a dynamic manager who sees BEYOND INAPPLICABLE RULES and innovate as needed. As a technical expert, she might have been conditioned to follow routine and stick within the boundaries of formulas, never to deviate from them--showing a seeming ignorance of what the Supreme Court did in the 2003 bar exams where it did not just downgrade Mercantile Law, it totally excluded it in the computation of grades. She knew but did not fully appreciate the import of what she did--that by DOWNGRADING Test 5, she is similarly attaining the objective of NULLIFYING THE EFFECT OF LEAKAGE--thereby making the exam more rigid because it resulted in the FAILURE of those who passed Test 5 but did not get high enough in Tests 1 to 4. It left only those who are high in ALL subjects, Tests 1 to 5, as the SELECT BREED OF PASSERS.
In other words, without the downgrading, there were those whose grade in Test 5 could have pulled up their average, but because of the downgrading, they failed--and only those who were high in both Test 5 and Tests 1 to 4 passed, in effect making only the more competent passed the exam, resulting in more competent passers, not the other way around!!!
That is the principle in NCLEX, where passing the first 75 questions declares the examinee as PASSED. If it used solely that much lesser number of questions--the first 75 questions--those who failed in them would already fail--thereby making NCLEX quite difficult and a most rigid test of competence. However, by extending the checking of answers up to the 265th questions in the case of those who failed the first 75 questions, they are given a SECOND CHANCE to pass if their answers to the 76th to 265th questions are high enough to compensate the low grades in the first 75 questions. So it is not necessarily correct to say that the statistical mumbo jumbo reduced the bar of competence of the 17,000 passers. On the contrary, it made the exam more difficult, resulting in the elimination of those who were high in Test 5 but not high enough in Tests 1 to 4.
As lamented by Dr. Ang, he wants a retake because he does not want to sacrifice the INNOCENT, those whose grades were high in Test 5 but failed because of its downgrading. So, in his solution--retake by ALL examinees--in effect he wants the same innocent few who failed owing to the downgrading of Test 5 to retake--together with the 17,000 who were high in all subjects and passed even with the downgrading of Test 5. Dr. Ang, with all due respect to you, this is not sparing the innocent--this seems CRAB MENTALITY at its worst--also called the EQUAL MISERY FORMULA by economists and other experts! In other words, dahil me bumagsak na definitely kailangang mag-retake--ay retake ng lahat!!! Dr. Ang, if you do not know it, is this not the implication of what you are saying?
MT
9-7-06
Posted by
Anonymous |
10:43 AM
sa nagpost ng 4 am. cge, bibigay ko sa iyo ang sweldo ko, pero ampunin mo ako! gago ka pala eh. ndi ka pala nurse sumasabat ka d2.
Posted by
Anonymous |
6:37 PM
hoy ikaw na nag post ng 6:37 pm
NAPATUNAYAN KO LANG NA IKAW PALA ANG WALANG MANNERS AT HINDI ANG MGA NEW GRADUATES!!! NAGMURA KA ---HULI KA!!!! HEHEHEHE
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Anonymous |
10:11 PM
hoy ikaw na nag post ng 6:37 pm
NAPATUNAYAN KO LANG NA IKAW PALA ANG WALANG MANNERS AT HINDI ANG MGA NEW GRADUATES!!! NAGMURA KA ---HULI KA!!!! HEHEHEHE
Posted by
Anonymous |
10:11 PM
PARA SA NAGPOST NG 6:37 - MUKHA KA PALANG PERA AT BASTOS PA HEHEHE ASAN NA SWELDO MO? AT KWENTONG BARBERO PA PALA.
Posted by
Anonymous |
10:37 PM
Sana ang mga nurses at would-be nurses, magturingang magka-kapatid at magkasundo, hindi nag-aaway!
Posted by
Anonymous |
9:27 AM
to 4:48 pm
HELLO ATTITUDE, SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE MERON KAMI. So porke ba ang dahilan ng pagnunursing eh para matulungan ko family ko eh wala na ako attitude, skills and knowledge? may utak ka ba? hahaha
Inggit ka lang kasi kahit service una mo dahilan mas magaling kaming nurse sa iyo. kaya imbis na mainggit ka ang importante magaling kang nurse. hindi na important ang dahilan bakit ka nag nursing, siguraduhin mo lang magaling ka sa ginagawa mo.
Posted by
Anonymous |
3:33 PM
10:37, sensya ka na, mas gusto ko pa ibahagi sa mga mahihirap yung sweldo ko kaysa sayo. btw, dalawa lang nurse sa mundo, gusto tumulong na walang iniintindi na makatulong o mabigyan naman ng life ung psyente or yung isang nurse na iniisip kung magkano ang kikitain nya. ung pangalawang nurse kasi parang hospital, kung walang pera ang pasyente, maghanap nalang sya ng ibang hospital. kawawang pasyente. kayo na mismo nagsasabi na kawawa naman kami mahihirap. walang pambayad.. pero tingnan mo aalis ng bansa para tulungan ung mayayaman na country. iiwanan yung kababayan nyang mahirap.
Posted by
Anonymous |
3:15 AM